Comments on: Manitou, Colorado Springs contrasted in N.Y. Times http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/ Colorado Springs Business Journal Daily News Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:05:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: Anonymous http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-447 Anonymous Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:16:00 +0000 http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-447 It doesn't matter how right Lon is... the people at The Times will no doubt just roll their eyes and laugh.<br/><br/> I thought Hazelhurst's piece was interesting. He nailed the city, no surprise, but I disagree with his assessment that we should strive to be what we are. If you read between the lines, he said we are a politicaly divided community of extremists with a struggling economy because the liberal-progressives here lack power. Right on... but why the hell would we want to be that? Why would we want to be divided? Want extremism on both sides? Want a struggling economy and low wages?<br/><br/> Another observation...<br/><br/> Just last night I read on a message board I frequent about what "the cesspool that is Colorado Springs did to the country back in the '90's."<br/><br/> A reference to Admendment 2. Colorado Springs may forever be the Selma of the gay rights movement. It's possible that the damage is so severe, it can't be fixed.<br/><br/> On one hand it makes me angry that *the city* gets blamed for the actions of the politically powerful christian groups that operate here. On the other hand, we allow them to stay... which doesn't reflect well on us at all.<br/><br/>- COSNative It doesn’t matter how right Lon is… the people at The Times will no doubt just roll their eyes and laugh.

I thought Hazelhurst’s piece was interesting. He nailed the city, no surprise, but I disagree with his assessment that we should strive to be what we are. If you read between the lines, he said we are a politicaly divided community of extremists with a struggling economy because the liberal-progressives here lack power. Right on… but why the hell would we want to be that? Why would we want to be divided? Want extremism on both sides? Want a struggling economy and low wages?

Another observation…

Just last night I read on a message board I frequent about what “the cesspool that is Colorado Springs did to the country back in the ’90’s.”

A reference to Admendment 2. Colorado Springs may forever be the Selma of the gay rights movement. It’s possible that the damage is so severe, it can’t be fixed.

On one hand it makes me angry that *the city* gets blamed for the actions of the politically powerful christian groups that operate here. On the other hand, we allow them to stay… which doesn’t reflect well on us at all.

- COSNative

]]> By: Alex Brown http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-445 Alex Brown Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:48:00 +0000 http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-445 <a HREF="http://www.csbj.com/story.cfm?id=15240" REL="nofollow">Here's Lon's Letter to the Editor of the New York Times</a> Here’s Lon’s Letter to the Editor of the New York Times

]]> By: Anonymous http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-441 Anonymous Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:38:00 +0000 http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-441 Whether or not our reputation is broken stopped being a question about a decade ago.<br/><br/> It is. Period.<br/><br/> Can it be fixed? Sure.<br/><br/> Are good things happening here? Sure.<br/><br/> Until we get some real leadership in city hall, it won't matter.<br/><br/>- COSNative Whether or not our reputation is broken stopped being a question about a decade ago.

It is. Period.

Can it be fixed? Sure.

Are good things happening here? Sure.

Until we get some real leadership in city hall, it won’t matter.

- COSNative

]]> By: Alex Brown http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-440 Alex Brown Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:21:00 +0000 http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-440 <b>that's enough,</b> kids! not only is everyone anonymous, but you're all regressing to childhood! i don't know who is who anymore! <br/>the question remains: is our reputation broken? how can it be fixed - or taken advantage of?<br/>if either[any?] of you have the ganas, you'll stop shouting and you'll type something useful. that’s enough, kids! not only is everyone anonymous, but you’re all regressing to childhood! i don’t know who is who anymore!
the question remains: is our reputation broken? how can it be fixed - or taken advantage of?
if either[any?] of you have the ganas, you’ll stop shouting and you’ll type something useful.

]]> By: Anonymous http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-439 Anonymous Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:53:00 +0000 http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-439 Monday, October 22, 2007 11:44: blogger anonymous of this date,<br/><br/>You are clueless and deserve to be banished to the western Kansas plains. You must be a Doug Bruce suppoter as well. Monday, October 22, 2007 11:44: blogger anonymous of this date,

You are clueless and deserve to be banished to the western Kansas plains. You must be a Doug Bruce suppoter as well.

]]> By: Anonymous http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-438 Anonymous Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:45:00 +0000 http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-438 The United Way report was baffling.<br/><br/> It could be that the fringe religious right are not the majority here, simply the most vocal, and most politically and financially powerful... which is just as bad, unfortunately. <br/><br/> The Broadmoor cronies, most of city hall, Focus on the Family, New Life Church, Doug Bruce... who has managed to throw the entire state into chaos.<br/><br/> Even if the extremists aren't the majority... I think they have the power to justify the rep. The United Way report was baffling.

It could be that the fringe religious right are not the majority here, simply the most vocal, and most politically and financially powerful… which is just as bad, unfortunately.

The Broadmoor cronies, most of city hall, Focus on the Family, New Life Church, Doug Bruce… who has managed to throw the entire state into chaos.

Even if the extremists aren’t the majority… I think they have the power to justify the rep.

]]> By: Anonymous http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-437 Anonymous Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:23:00 +0000 http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-437 Just keep trying to justify your own hate. The person is right, you are wrong. Your reasons for hating Christians are plain ol' wrong. Admit it, intolerance is intolerance, not just when it is the people who view are intolerant of your views. Your generalizations are at best wrong, and at worst, sick. Just keep trying to justify your own hate. The person is right, you are wrong. Your reasons for hating Christians are plain ol’ wrong. Admit it, intolerance is intolerance, not just when it is the people who view are intolerant of your views. Your generalizations are at best wrong, and at worst, sick.

]]> By: Lon Matejczyk http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-436 Lon Matejczyk Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:37:00 +0000 http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-436 I will be writing a letter to the editor of the NYT. It will also run as my column in this weeks CSBJ. The facts just aren't there.<br/><br/>The national perception of the Springs is an issue for Economic Development. Our EDC leaders have confirmed this.<br/><br/>According to The quality of life indicators published recently by the Pikes Peak United Way El Paso County has a lower rate of membership in religious congregations than Denver County, Pueblo County, Colorado and the U.S. Additionally, while other areas show an increase in membership from 1990 to 2000, only El Paso County residents’ and U.S average membership decreased. I will be writing a letter to the editor of the NYT. It will also run as my column in this weeks CSBJ. The facts just aren’t there.

The national perception of the Springs is an issue for Economic Development. Our EDC leaders have confirmed this.

According to The quality of life indicators published recently by the Pikes Peak United Way El Paso County has a lower rate of membership in religious congregations than Denver County, Pueblo County, Colorado and the U.S. Additionally, while other areas show an increase in membership from 1990 to 2000, only El Paso County residents’ and U.S average membership decreased.

]]> By: Alex Brown http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-435 Alex Brown Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:44:00 +0000 http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-435 are you saying that evangelicalism is a choice? people aren't born that way?<br/>i think in a way, they are. everybody has some amount of spiritual need, and it appears to me that the evangelical community makes sure that their own children are fully indoctrinated. have you seen <a HREF="http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/" REL="nofollow">jesus camp</a>? do you think those kids had a choice about their spirituality?<br/>i know plenty of people who call themselves "recovered catholics" and they all say that catholic school did it. but i don't know anybody who calls themselves a "recovered evangelical." are you saying that evangelicalism is a choice? people aren’t born that way?
i think in a way, they are. everybody has some amount of spiritual need, and it appears to me that the evangelical community makes sure that their own children are fully indoctrinated. have you seen jesus camp? do you think those kids had a choice about their spirituality?
i know plenty of people who call themselves “recovered catholics” and they all say that catholic school did it. but i don’t know anybody who calls themselves a “recovered evangelical.”

]]> By: Anonymous http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-434 Anonymous Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:52:00 +0000 http://blogs.csbj.com/csbjdaily/2007/10/19/manitou-colorado-springs-contrasted-in-ny-times/#comment-434 I admit it. I hate, hate.<br/> <br/> A bigot is someone who hates a particular group of people for reasons that are out of their control. I.E. race, orientation, nationality... Evangelicals chose to be evangelicals, they chose hate, and yes... I have a distaste for this group that has come in to my hometown and ruined it's reputation. I don't hate evangelicals. I don't believe they should be stripped of their right to worship. It'd be nice if they'd stay out of politics and quit making me and my city look bad, though. I admit it. I hate, hate.

A bigot is someone who hates a particular group of people for reasons that are out of their control. I.E. race, orientation, nationality… Evangelicals chose to be evangelicals, they chose hate, and yes… I have a distaste for this group that has come in to my hometown and ruined it’s reputation. I don’t hate evangelicals. I don’t believe they should be stripped of their right to worship. It’d be nice if they’d stay out of politics and quit making me and my city look bad, though.

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